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I had several laptops, and each of them had a different charger, that is physically incompatible with another laptop. Even two laptops of the same company (e.g. HP Zbook and HP EliteBook) have incompatible chargers. In contrast, there are so-called "universal chargers", that charge through a USB-C port. My questions:

  1. How can I check whether a specific laptop can be charged with a specific USB-C universal charger? In particular, the specification of the USB-C port of the laptop say "2x USB-C (Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 40Gbps), with USB PD 3.0 and DisplayPort 2.1", and the charger that comes with the laptop says "135 Watt". Does it mean that any universal USB-C charger with 135 Watt would work? Or is there anything else to verify?

  2. Is there any reason to prefer the laptop company's proprietary charger over a universal USB-C charger?

muru
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Carefull here: Even though USB-C charging is becoming more and more common there are still plenty of laptops around that NEED a proprietary charger.

E.g. that zBook you mention won't charge on USB-C. It can do USB-C power-delivery to other devices, but it can't charge itself from an USB-C charger.

In general: If the laptop originally came with a USB-C charger you can replace it with an universal charger that can deliver the same or higher amount of Watt.

If it came with a proprietary adapter in general you CAN'T replace it with a universal USB-C charger unless the manual of the laptop explicitly says so.

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I'll address some specifics (mostly since you mentioned HP zBooks and EliteBooks as I happen to have dealth with those a lot over the years), but the first thing on your list should be the obvious:

Check the user manual! It will tell you if your laptop can be charged through a USB-C port (and if so, which one), and potentially what wattages and voltages it would require on its regular DC plug.

Short version if you specifically just have HP laptops: The 150W Smart AC HP adapter will power most HP laptops you'll throw at it, although it might be still a good idea to check for anything "special" wanting more than 150. One of the product codes you can search for is 4SC18AA, this is one of the HP product codes, there are multiple depending on your plug preferences and/or availability but will give you an idea of what to look for. The AC plug part is a bog-standard C5 "Mickey" plug on the other end, so your local stores will have one that fits if you can't get the adapter with the correct AC plug for your country. I have one of those on my desk at work and any HP laptop made in the last 10 years can run off of it.

A summary of the following wall of text comes down to the fact that there are like 3-4 power supply wattages and they are largerly interchangeable.

Now with that out of the way, here's how it works with HP business laptops (ProBooks, EliteBooks and zBooks, the ProBooks have been merged with EliteBooks as of the last few generations due to a lot of overlap).

The main "incompatibility" comes from the required power - the wattage the charger is providing. This is stated both on the PC itself as well as the charger, sometimes as a straight number (in watts, W), sometimes as a voltage and an amperage (in volts, V and amperes, A). In the second case you simply multiply the two numbers to get the watts. Those numbers are often ugly as HP uses an odd voltage of 19.5V, but you don't need to worry as there are only a handful of standard wattages those come in - 45W, 65W, 150W are the three common ones, 100W and sometimes 90W is seen, and there are a couple intended for docking stations and port replicators (200W and 230W). As long as you can do the math close enough, you'll know which one it is, for example, 7.7 amps at 19.5 volts works out to 150 watts, and 3.33 amps at 19.5 volts happens to be 65 watts. Give or take, of course, but well within the tolerance.

The second incompatibility is the physical plug - HP's come in two sizes, one's about 4mm and the other is around 7. The main reason for either to be chosen is simply its size - most newer (post 2013 or so) laptops will use the smaller plug while some older models like the really old blocky EliteBooks will use the larger one. Docking stations will generally use the larger one - there are some odd exceptions like a certain flat ThunderBolt dock/replicator intended for zBooks, where the thinner connector is used, likely due to the thinner shape of that specific unit. For what it's worth, they are totally interchangeable apart from the physical size incompatibility, and I have a few adapters that I don't remember the exact origin of that accept the smaller plug to allow it to be plugged into the bigger receptacle. My best guess those came with some of the docking stations or some of the chunkier, older laptops of yore to provide the possibility to power either. Those also exist in reverse, allowing using the bigger plug with a device that requires the smaller one.

Either way, an adapter with higher wattage is not an issue, it will never overload a laptop normally using a lower wattage as it is the laptop that demands the power and the number is actually a cap on how much power the laptop can demand. The main downside of the bigger power supplies is their bulk - which is why the tiny 45W adapters exist.

And the last thing to be said about those power supplies is that laptops have generally become smarter and a lot of them are able to accept a lower wattage (basically a lower current) with various degrees of degradation, from slower charging (just like phones) to reduced performance (for the hungrier models having to run off of a small charger). I have seen some of the older zBooks - think G4 or lower - refuse to recognise the small chargers completely, but the newer models usually just warn you that "charging is slow". Some of the bulky, old 200W bricks (seriously, they are like a pound each) seem to be hit-and-miss with the newest laptops, but I suspect a lot of them are simply dying of old age. I definitely used to have a couple of those as "universal HP power supplies" a few years back the least.

Bottom line is - the 150W unit is the "one size fits almost all" solution for your HP laptop needs.

Okay, but what about USB-C and Power Delivery?

So, this one can be tricky, (check the manual!) but most HP stock, at least the office ones, have supported this for a while, an easy rule of thumb here is to check every laptop if it has the big bulky docking station connector - the support came around the time they ditched those, though I there might have been one generation with the docking connector and PD support.

In any case, the correct USB-C port will likely be next to the DC receptacle, a zBook sometimes has two next to each other next to the DC input. Those are often marked with a lightning bolt icon which makes sense, but that actually specifies that they support the ThunderBolt specification - and that does not explicitly equal USB-C Power Delivery, but often coincides.

The important part is, as of now (March 2025), the most common version of PD supports up to 100W. There is a more recent version allowing over 200W, but it is not that common yet and definitely will not be found in some random old PCs you have lying around.

This does kinda cut off the larger, thirstier devices such as the zBook (and similar workstation-class and gaming-class PCs), although, again, quite a few of the newer models are able to make do with the lower available power, capping CPU speeds and slowing down charging - perhaps not usable at full power while on such a charger, but definitely possible to charge overnight.

but what about other brands of laptops? Here's the stinger: those wattages, that voltage, and the two physical plug sizes have become more or less standardised. Dell uses 19.5V, as an example, and there are indeed adapters in 45W, 65W and 90W. The problem is, after standardising those, there had to be a way to account for the cases of a "bad" connection such as an undersized charger, and whatever the technical reasons actually were, the end result is that the DC connector actually has 3 wires - the positive and negative as is expected of DC, and a third "smart" wire. This results in a "soft" incompatibility between different manufacturers' laptops and power supplies.

This is used to let the device communicate with the power supply to learn what voltages and wattages are supported, and, in an ideal world, there would've been some proper standard like EDID with monitors that simply provides a protocol for this information exchange. Instead, the manufacturers basically just got this third wire to do with as they please - which means that each has their own "language", and a Dell power supply won't respond properly to a question asked by a HP laptop, causing the laptop to reject it altogether or at least defaulting to assuming the lowest possible power to be safe. This, of course, does have a nice side effect of being profitable. As far as I know, there are ways around that, but that's up to the individual whether they want to bother with that.

htmlcoderexe
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Usually laptops only use basic USB PD of a fixed voltage (20V), and can take various voltages(12V 15V 20V) and adjust charging speed accordingly. The laptop usually has a label on the bottom that tells you what voltage and current it prefers.

Personally, I use a Thinkpad T14 gen1 (AMD) laptop that takes 65W or 45W input (20V 3.25A or 20V 2.25A). My powerbank is 20W 12V 1.67A and phone charger is 30W 20V 1.5A. These both work on the laptop but charging is slow. Windows 11 also notifies me about this. I also have a 68W phone charger (20V 3.25A). This one works fine for the first 10 minutes, then overheats and down grade to 30W, which also triggers Windows notification.

Most of the phone chargers have overheat problems (watch out for those of small size but high power rating). They are designed to only charge the phone fast for maybe 10 minutes, then the phone itself overheats and slows down charging, so the bottle neck is on the load side. If you use such a charger on a laptop, the charger overheats before the laptop is fully charged.

But overheat is only a problem when your laptop is under continuous heavy load, or is charging. There is a trade off here between sustained performance and size/weight/cost.

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First you need to determine the power specifications of the original proprietary charger. This will be often printed on it, and will usually state the power, voltage and amperage. Note it down.

A basic rule to follow when considering a different power adapter is to ensure that the new adapter:

  1. Has the same voltage rating as the original - it shouldn't be higher or lower.
  2. Has an amperage rating that is equivalent or higher to the original - it cannot be lower.

Where USB-C chargers are concerned, note that all USB-C chargers are NOT the same. Some offer only single power output (which can also vary in power ratings), while others can support multiple power ratings. So be sure to check the power specification of a USB-C adapter before using it, and check if it supports the power rating you require according to guidelines above. All USB-C cables are also not the same, and you should check their power specification before buying it (lower power rated cable will not be able to handle higher power flowing through it, and may cause electrocution or electrical fires).

References:

  1. USB-C Chargers: Everything You Need to Know
  2. What is USB-C PD?
  3. Types of USB Cables: Not All USB-C Cables are Created Equal
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USB-C is nothing more than a physical specification, meaning the connector has to be: a certain shape, a certain size, and have up to 24 pins.

Believe it or not, there are USB-C cables delivering USB2 speeds.

The voltages and amperages sent over the wire is the duty of the power brick.

First and foremast, make sure the power brick is delivering the correct voltage expected by the laptop. If not then expect the device to be fried immediately.

Second-most, make sure the power brick is delivering at or above the amperage required by the laptop.

If your laptop wants 10 amps but the brick only delivers 5 then you will suffer:

  • Longer charge times
  • No charging at all
  • Battery damage because they're typically designed with an amperage sweet-spot

Anyways, back to this observation:

there are so-called "universal chargers"

Cool, they either have a manual or automated switching mechanism to deliver the voltage your device expects.

So:

  • Check that it supports your desired voltage
  • Check that it gives enough amperage
  • Read reviews to see if people claim it to be faulty and fry their electronics

Example:

This charger claims to auto-switch between seven different voltages.

universal USB-C charger

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My work laptop is a several year old ZBook Fury, which has a barrel connector (and 200W-ish brick) and 2 Thunderbolt ports. It ignores my 100W USB-C PD charger, but must use a different protocol because it takes power over the Thunderbolt USB-C from the HP Thunderbolt 3 dock, which has a 230W power brick.

I also have an HP Elite x2 1012 G1 tablet, which ONLY charges via USB-C PD and comes with an HP 45W adapter. I discovered the tablet only accepts the 15V 3A spec which was dropped from the later PD revisions and it won't recognise the 100W charger as it doesn't offer 15V. The exact voltage/current ranges the charger supports need to be verified, especially for older kit.

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If your laptop was not specifically DESIGNED to charge from a USB C port, DO NOT connect a USB charger to any USB port on it!!!

Probably the best way to tell if it was designed to use a USB charger is to look for an alternate charging port. If there are none to be found, you're probably safe connecting a USB charger to it.

As for which USB charger to use: the only real thing to consider is the power output of the PD charger. My HP requires 65 watts. It complains if I connect something less than that to it. I rarely use the brick-style charger that came with it. I have a 100 watt multi-port cube that I use most of the time, so I can charge other things at the same time, and only have to carry one cube-like charger unit.

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