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I am looking for help in identifying a mistake in the following proof:

Let $P(x,y,z)$ be a (complex) irreducible polynomial in three variables. In other words, the algebraic variety $$Z_P:=\{(x,y,z)\in \mathbb C^3:P(x,y,z)=0\}$$ is irreducible. Now, consider the set $$Z_P':=\{(x,z):P(x,x,z)=0 \}\subset \mathbb C ^2.$$ This is basically the variety you get upon identifying the first two variables in $P$, projected down to $\mathbb C^2$ in the natural way. I want to say that $Z_P'$ is irreducible as well. Here is the idea why:

Consider the mapping $f:\mathbb C^3 \rightarrow \mathbb C^2$ given by: $$f(x,y,z)=(x,z)$$ Then it is easy to see that $f(Z_P)=Z_P'$. Since $f$ is a regular mapping between algebraic varieties, it maps irreducible subvarieties into irreducible ones, meaning that $Z_P'$ is irreducible.

The thing that bothers me is the following - had I considered the set $$Z_P'=\{x:P(x,x,x)=0\}\subset \mathbb C,$$ the same argument would show that this new $Z_P'$ is irreducible. On the other hand, $Z_P'$ is the zero set of a polynomial in one variable, and this is always reducible (assuming its degree is higher than one). But where is the issue in my original argument?

Thanks in advance.

GSofer
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  • How did you show that $f(Z_P) = Z'_P$? It seems to me that the way you defined $f$, it is just projection on $Oxz$-plane. Let $P(x,y,z) = x^2+y^2+z^2$, then the map $f$ will map $(i,0,1) \in Z_P$ to $(i,1)$, but the point $(i,i,1)$ doesn't satisfy $P(x,x,z) = 2x^2+z^2=0$, so $(i,1)$ is not a point of $Z'_P$ by your definition. – Tri Dec 03 '24 at 03:08
  • @Tri thanks a lot, I now see the silly mistake. While $f(Z_P)$ contains $Z_P'$, it is not equal to it. So the conclusion about $Z_P'$ is incorrect. Any idea on a way to proceed with proving that $Z_P'$ is irreducible under some further restrictions? (you definitely need to assume something more). – GSofer Dec 03 '24 at 03:25

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This won't work - setting $y=x$ is equivalent to intersecting with the hyperplane $V(y-x)$, and there's no reason for intersecting with a hyperplane to preserve irreducibility. For instance, if $P(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$, then $P$ is irreducible, but $P(x,x,z)=2x^2+z^2=(\sqrt{2}x+iz)(\sqrt{2}x-iz)$ is reducible.

KReiser
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  • Thanks, great answer. Do you have an idea on any "nice" conditions under which intersecting with such a hyperplane does preserve irreducibility? – GSofer Dec 03 '24 at 03:31
  • The closest you can get to a good condition is any of the Bertini theorems, which only asserts that for a general hyperplane and a dimension $\geq 2$ variety the intersection is connected. – KReiser Dec 03 '24 at 03:34
  • That's very interesting, I didn't know that. So if I understand correctly, you can actually proceed and say the following: If X is an arbitrary subvariety of dimension at least n, then intersecting X with any n-1 hyperplanes will yield a connected (and hence irreducible) subvariety. Is that correct? Is that correct? Sorry if this is quite basic, I don't touch these subjects often. – GSofer Dec 03 '24 at 04:24
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    Sorry, "connected" should say irreducible in my comment above. Connected does not imply irreducible, either - consider $V(xy)$, for instance. It's not any $n-1$ hyperplanes, it's $n-1$ generic hyperplanes. (There's usually some hyperplanes where you cannot guarantee irreducibility, so we have to exclude those.) – KReiser Dec 03 '24 at 04:47
  • Okay, so genericity is the key thing here that gives you the irreducibility of the intersection. Thanks a lot! – GSofer Dec 03 '24 at 04:54
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@GSofer Does not answer the question, but has relevance to it and the secondary question raised by you in the comments.

Take a Zariski-closed irreducible affine variety and a Zariski closed irreducible affine curve(even a line) embedded in an affine space, say $V, C\subset \mathbf{A}^n$. The intersection being a closed subvariety of a curve has the following possibilities:

(i) empty

(ii) $S$ (i,e the case $C\subset V$)

(iii) a singleton

(iv) finite set with at least 2 points.

Constructing examples for all cases would be instructive. Easy intuitive case over the field of real numbers which would often fail over C: A circle and a line lying in the Euclidean plane need not intersect, or could be tangent or, a secant line giving 2 intersection points making it reducible.

An interesting case over C: Take SL(2,C) regarded as an affine subvariety: $V\subset \mathbf{A}^4$ defined by the equation $xy-zw-1=0$.

Take the following infinite collection curves $L_{a,b,c}$ (actually lines) corresponding to parametric constants $a,b,c,\in \mathbf{C}$:

$L_{a,b,c}= \{(x,ax,bx,cx)\mid x\in \mathbf{C}\}$

Now $L_{a,b,c}\cap V$ is the subset of $L_{a,b,c}$ with $x$ satisfying $(c-ab)x^2-1=0$ as easily seen by substituting in the defining equation of $V$. So the intersection has just 2 points, namely those corresponding to the two square roots of $1/(c-ab)$ (avoid choice of constants making $c-ab=0$!).

In case $V$ were replaced by varieties defined by equations of degree $n$ (here $n=2$) we can find examples with intersections having upto $n$ points.