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I am learning about group homology and spectral sequences and I have read somewhere that we can use the Lyndon-Serre-Hochschild spectral sequence to prove that $H_2(G,\mathbb{Q})$ has finite rank when $G$ is finitely presented but I cannot write it down.

I have tried applying the LSH spectral sequence to the exact sequence $1\to N\to F\to F/N\to 1$ with $F$ free and $G\cong F/N$ but I don't reach any conclussions.

Can anybody tell me how to do that?

QGM
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  • What are you reading? My suggestion is to read Brown's "Cohomology of groups". From there, you will learn that finite presentability implies $FP_2$ and the latter implies finite rank of $H^2$. – Moishe Kohan Jan 03 '24 at 14:33
  • I read the statement on a file I found online. It said that it follows "easily" using the LSH spectral sequence so I tried to do it as an exercise but I couldn't find the proof. Do you know a proof using spectral sequences? I have learnt about the LHS spectral sequence using Brown's book – QGM Jan 03 '24 at 14:45
  • No, I do not. And I would not necessarily trust a random statement found online. – Moishe Kohan Jan 03 '24 at 14:59

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After several misfires, I have it now.

Let $G$ be a finitely presented group; there is a free group $F$ on $n\in\Bbb N$ letters and a subset $R$ of $m$ words of $F$, and a specified isomorphism $G\cong F/\overline{\langle R\rangle}$ where the bar denotes normal closure and the braces denote subgroup generation.

The Lydon-Hochschild-Serre spectral sequence applied to the trivial $F$-module $\Bbb Q$ and the pair $(G,\overline{\langle R\rangle})$ is convergent to $H_\ast(F;\Bbb Q)$ (under some mysterious filtration) and has $E^2$ page: $$E^2_{p,q}\cong H_p(G;H_q(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q))\implies H_{p+q}(F;\Bbb Q)$$

Here, $H_q(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q)$ is abstractly - but canonically - a $F/\overline{\langle R\rangle}\cong G$-module. It will be very important to understand specifically what the $G$-action is. I investigated the generalities of this question here (thanks again to Mariano). Even though $\Bbb Q$ is a trivial module, this homology module is not necessarily a trivial $G$-module.

There is the $5$-term exact sequence in low degree associated to the spectral sequence: $$H_2(F;\Bbb Q)\to H_2(G;H_0(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q))\to H_0(G;H_1(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q))\to H_1(F;\Bbb Q)\\\to H_1(G;H_0(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q))\to0$$

We need to understand these terms. Firstly (see Weibel's "Homological Algebra" chapter $6$ as a reference for my claims) $H_2(F;\Bbb Q)=0$ since $F$ is a free group. $H_1(F;\Bbb Q)\cong F^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q\cong\Bbb Q^n$ where the first isomorphism comes from the fact $\Bbb Q$ is here considered a trivial $F$-module and the second isomorphism from the fact $F^{\mathsf{ab}}\cong\Bbb Z^n$. Similarly, by triviality of $\Bbb Q$ as an $\overline{\langle R\rangle}$-module, the $H_0$ terms are just isomorphic to $\Bbb Q$ and the $H_1$ term is isomorphic to $\overline{\langle R\rangle}^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q$.

So the sequence is: $$0\to H_2(G;\Bbb Q)\to H_0(G;\overline{\langle R\rangle}^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q)\to\Bbb Q^n\to H_1(G;\Bbb Q)\to0$$However, for the sake of rigour it is our duty to figure out how "$\Bbb Q$" has inherited a $G$-module structure in the first and final nonzero terms. We need it to be the trivial structure, but a priori $H_0(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q)$ inherits a mysterious $G$-action.

The isomorphism $H_0(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q)\cong\Bbb Q$ is induced from - if you compute $H_0$ via a bar resolution - $\Bbb Z[\overline{\langle R\rangle}]\otimes_{\Bbb Z[\overline{\langle R\rangle}]}\Bbb Q\cong\Bbb Z[\overline{\langle R\rangle}]\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q\to\Bbb Q$, the map induced by $(\sum_i r_in_i)\otimes q\mapsto \sum_i n_iq$. In particular, $q\in\Bbb Q$ is identifiable with $1\otimes q\in\Bbb Z[\overline{\langle R\rangle}]\otimes_{\Bbb Z[\overline{\langle R\rangle}]}\Bbb Q$. The $G$-action on the bar resolution (see my linked post, but dualise since we use a right bar resolution now) would map $q$ to $gq$ in the $g(1)g^{-1}$th summand i.e. map $1\otimes q$ to $1\otimes q\sim q$. Thus, the inherited $G$-action on $H_0(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q)\cong\Bbb Q$ is the trivial one and we are justified in writing "$H_2(G;\Bbb Q),H_1(G;\Bbb Q)$" in the exact sequence.

However, the action on $H_1(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q)$ usually is not trivial. Let $\pi:\overline{\langle R\rangle}\to\overline{\langle R\rangle}^{\mathsf{ab}}$ denote the Abelianisation map. It can be shown that $H_1(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q)\cong\overline{\langle R\rangle}^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q$ is induced from the following map on the bar resolution: $B_1\otimes_{\Bbb Z[\overline{\langle R\rangle}]}\Bbb Q\to\overline{\langle R\rangle}^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q$, $\left(\sum_i[r'_i]r_in_i\right)\otimes q\mapsto\left(\sum_in_i\pi(r'_i)\right)\otimes q$.

Let $x=\pi(r)\in\overline{\langle R\rangle}^{\mathsf{ab}}$. $x\otimes q$ is represented by $[r]\otimes q$ in the bar model. The $G$-action by some $g$ is, according to my post, going to be $g(x\otimes q):=[grg^{-1}]\otimes gq=[grg^{-1}]\otimes q$. Now here's the thing; every element of $\overline{\langle R\rangle}$ is obtainable, by conjugating finitely many times, from an element of $\langle R\rangle$. Zeroth homology takes coinvariants and identifies $\pi(grg^{-1})\otimes q\sim[grg^{-1}]\otimes q\sim x\otimes q$. It follows all zeroth homology classes will be representable by an element of $\pi(\langle R\rangle)\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q$.

However, $\pi(\langle R\rangle)\otimes_{\Bbb Z}\Bbb Q$ is an Abelian group generated by at most $m$ elements tensored with $\Bbb Q$ and thus is a $\Bbb Q$-vector space of dimension $d\le m$. When we take zeroth homology, we are going to take a quotient of this and this again results in a $\Bbb Q$-vector space of dimension $\le m$. Therefore the exact sequence is: $$0\to H_2(G;\Bbb Q)\to\Bbb Q^k\to\Bbb Q^n\to H_1(G;\Bbb Q)\to0$$Where $0\le k\le m$.

It follows that $H_2(G;\Bbb Q)$ is a $\Bbb Q$-vector space of dimension $d\le m$ and that $H_1(G;\Bbb Q)$ is a $\Bbb Q$-vector space of dimension $n-m\le d\le n$. This shows these groups are of finite rank and gives you an estimate on the size of this rank.

FShrike
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  • Vanishing of $H_2(G, {\mathbb Q})$ is an utterly wrong claim, just work out the example of $G={\mathbb Z}^2$. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 16:16
  • @MoisheKohan I now realise my mistake. – FShrike Jan 04 '24 at 16:23
  • Also, "a finitely generated normal subgroup of $F$" is also wrong. I suggest you delete the current answer since it is rather misleading. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 16:23
  • Looks right. Still, using the LSH spectral sequence is a way too hard a proof, comparing the more natural approach of forming projective resolutions via presentation complexes. – Moishe Kohan Jan 07 '24 at 00:17
  • @MoisheKohan I agree this is probably overkill. I have never heard of presentation complexes actually, I'm new to the subject and Weibel doesn't cover them. Where can I learn about them and how to use them in calculations? Thanks for the feedback – FShrike Jan 07 '24 at 00:19
  • It should be in Brown's book. You have probably learned presentation complexes in your algebraic topology class, just maybe not under that name: Given a group presentation, take the wedge of circles, one for each generator. Then each defining relator will give you a loop in the wedge of circles. Attach 2-cells along such loops. The result is a presentation complex. Another good place to read about this is in Hatcher's "Algebraic Topology". – Moishe Kohan Jan 07 '24 at 00:22
  • @MoisheKohan Ah I'm familiar with that construction, but it sounds like you're suggesting there's a homological interpretation of it. Then presumably there's a $3$ dimensional, $n$-dimensional variant of it for computing higher homology – FShrike Jan 07 '24 at 00:30
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    Right. You build a resolution by taking the universal cover and the corresponding cellular chain complex (the group acts naturally by permuting cells). This is the beginning of "topological methods" in homological algebra. – Moishe Kohan Jan 07 '24 at 00:33
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Here is an idea: Since $G$ is finitely presented, we can write $G \cong \langle F\rangle / \langle R \rangle$ with $|F|,|R| < \infty$. You probably want to use the five-term exact sequence which is a direct consequence of the LSH spectral sequence, see Corollary 6.4 on page 171 in Brown's book. Using the fact that $H_1(G;M) \cong G^{\text{ab}} \otimes M$ for $M$ an abelian group with trivial $G$-action, the first three terms of the five-term exact sequence applied to $1 \to \langle R\rangle \to \langle F\rangle \to G \to 1$ yield an exact sequence $$ H_2(F;\mathbb{Q}) \to H_2(G;\mathbb{Q}) \to \langle R\rangle^{\text{ab}} \otimes \mathbb{Q}. $$ Notice that $R^{\text{ab}} \otimes \mathbb{Q}$ is torsion-free and has finite rank (since $R$ was finite). Your claim should now follow, since $H_2(F;\mathbb{Q}) \cong 0$, i.e. the second map is injective.

Feel free to point out any mistakes here; I did not think everything through rigorously.

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  • What is $R^{ab}$? If you mean abelianization of the subgroup generated by $R$ then it has infinite rank. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 15:30
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    @MoisheKohan I don't see how $\langle R\rangle^{\text{ab}}$ has infinite rank. I mean, if $|R|=n$, then $\langle R\rangle^{\text{ab}} \cong \mathbb{Z}^n$, or am I missing something? – jasnee Jan 04 '24 at 15:43
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    Sorry, I meant the normal closure of $R$. Without taking the normal closure you will not get an exact sequence. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 16:03
  • Also, the line "$G \cong \langle F\rangle / R \rangle$" is not even wrong. The correct statement is that "$G \cong F / \langle R^F\rangle$", where $\langle R^F\rangle$ denotes the normal closure of $R$ in the free group $F$. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 16:20
  • You are using wrong definition of finite presentability. Free groups $F$ contain very few finitely generated normal subgroups: Every such subgroup is either trivial or has finite index in $F$ . – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 16:26
  • @MoisheKohan We know $\langle R^F\rangle^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes\Bbb Q/H_2(G;\Bbb Q)\subset\Bbb Q^{|F|}$ so this should imply $H_2(G;\Bbb Q)$ is a finite index subspace of $\langle R^F\rangle\otimes\Bbb Q$ and you seem to claim the latter is infinite dimensional most of the time, so surely this implies $H_2(G;\Bbb Q)$ is, most of the time, infinite dimensional? – FShrike Jan 04 '24 at 16:40
  • @FShrike: This is not what I wrote. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 16:55
  • @MoisheKohan I don't see how. $\langle R^F\rangle^{\mathsf{ab}}$ has infinite rank iff. $\langle R^F\rangle^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes\Bbb Q$ is an infinite dimensional $\Bbb Q$-vector space – FShrike Jan 04 '24 at 16:56
  • @FShrike: From what I wrote, indeed $\langle R^F\rangle^{ab}\otimes Q$ is infinite-dimensional (with few exceptions). However, I never claimed that $⟨^⟩^{}\otimes Q/_2(;ℚ)$ embeds in $Q^{||}$. This is wrong and I do not know where did it come from. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 17:12
  • @MoisheKohan Doesn't it follow from the $5$-term exact sequence jasnee refers to? $0\to H_2(G;\Bbb Q)\to (R^F)^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes\Bbb Q\to H_1(F;\Bbb Q)\cong\Bbb Q^{|F|}\to H_1(G;\Bbb Q)\to0$ – FShrike Jan 04 '24 at 17:14
  • @FShrike: It is a garbled version of what is written by Brown. Take a look in Brown's book. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 17:37
  • @MoisheKohan Well, $H_1(F;\Bbb Q)$ fits into an exact sequence with $F_0H_1=E^\infty_{0,1}$ and $F_1/F_0=E^{\infty}{1,0}$ and these are exactly $E^2{0,1}/d^2(E^2_{2,0})$ and $E^2_{1,0}$ i.e. $((R^F)^{ab}\otimes Q)/H_2(G;Q)$ and $H_1(G;Q)$ respectively. I see no mistake. and $d^2$ injects in this case – FShrike Jan 04 '24 at 17:41
  • @FShrike: Now compare what you wrote to what Brown wrote in Corollary 6.4. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 17:50
  • @MoisheKohan Respectfully, could you please specify what exactly I said which is in error? The $5$ term exact sequence I wrote out is a copy of the one presented by Weibel (whose book I have on hand), noting that $H_1(\overline{R};\Bbb Q)$ is a trivial $G$ module isomorphic to $\overline{R}^{\mathsf{ab}}\otimes_\Bbb Z\Bbb Q\cong\Bbb Q^{|\overline{R}|}$ and that $H_1(F;\Bbb Q)\cong\Bbb Q^{|F|}$, $H_2(F;\Bbb Q)\cong0$ – FShrike Jan 04 '24 at 18:39
  • @FShrike The mistake is in the claim that the module is trivial. But maybe you should ask a separate question since comments are really not meant for such conversations. – Moishe Kohan Jan 04 '24 at 20:46
  • @MoisheKohan Thanks. Now that you’ve pointed it out, I realise the error. Just because $\Bbb Q$ is trivial doesn’t mean some free resolution of it will be a resolution by trivial modules. To Janess, this is our mistake. The relevant term of the $E^2$ page is $H_0(G;H_1(\overline{R};\Bbb Q))$ which is not necessarily isomorphic to $H_1(\overline{R};\Bbb Q)$. – FShrike Jan 04 '24 at 23:09
  • @MoisheKohan Seems like I did miss that! Should I delete my answer in your opinion then? – jasnee Jan 05 '24 at 10:07
  • @MoisheKohan I believe I now have a correct answer, taking into account the non-triviality of the module structure on $H_1(\overline{\langle R\rangle};\Bbb Q)$. Would you mind taking a look? Also to Jasnee, if you're interested – FShrike Jan 06 '24 at 12:44