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Suppose I have a function $u\in L^{2}([0,T]\times\Omega)$ for some bounded domain $\Omega$ in $\mathbb{R}^{2}$ or $\mathbb{R}^{3}$. I managed to prove that this implies $u\in L^{2}(0,T; L^{2}(\Omega))$. Now I want to show that opposite is not true. This is where I struggle. According to Fubini's theorem, it is sufficient to give example of a function $u\in L^{2}(0,T; L^{2}(\Omega))$ which violates condition $u\in L^{2}(\Omega; L^{2}(0,T))$. So could you please provide such function? Thanks to all!

Let me show you how I see space $L^{2}(0,T; L^{2}(\Omega))$. The problem with it is that I couldn't find a single definition in any book whose rigorousness satisfied me. So, as far as I understand, $L^{2}(0,T; L^{2}(\Omega))$ is a set of functions $\{f : [0,T]\times\Omega\to\overline{\mathbb{R}}|\text{for almost all } t\in[0,T] f(x,t)\in L^{2}(\Omega)|\int_{0}^{T}\int_{\Omega}f^{2}dxdt < +\infty\}$ and such that for any pair of functions $f, g$ from this set the function $\int_{\Omega}fgdx$ is measurable in time. The last condition is very crucial and is omitted everywhere like it's obvious or something. Note that condition that the integral is finite is well-defined, since $f^{2}$ is non-negative and to define Lebesgue integral for it you do not even have to make $f^{2}$ measurable. Also, integral $\int_{\Omega}fgdx$ is also well-defined for alsmot all $t$, since the integral of the absolute value is bounded via Holder's inequality and $f, g$ are assumed measurable since they are in $L^{2}$, so $\int_{\Omega}fgdx$ exists and is finite.

It troubles me that they keep using both $L^{2}([0,T]\times\Omega)$ and $L^{2}(0,T; L^{2}(\Omega))$ in literature. If these spaces are indentical, why different notations? So I assumed that $L^{2}(0,T; L^{2}(\Omega))$ is wider than $L^{2}([0,T]\times\Omega)$, which is why I ended up here at stackexchange.

My main concern is with PDEs. So, suppose I have some time-dependent second-order PDE in a form $Lu = f$. To make it simple, assume $u = 0$ on the boundary of $\Omega$ and $u(0) = 0$, $u_{t}(0) = 0$. You can think of $L$ as a wave operator. Now, if we multiply the equation by test function and integrate over entire $[0,T]\times\Omega$, we obtain some weak formulation. But we can instead integrate over $\Omega$ only and assume the integral relation holds for almost all $t$. Naturally, the test functions in both cases will be from different spaces, so are solutions we are looking for. One is, say, $L^{2}([0,T]\times\Omega)$, the other is $L^{2}(0,T; L^{2}(\Omega))$. So, the question is: if in both formulations we avoid all sorts of integrations by parts ( or do them similarly ), will we obtain the same existence-uniqueness results for $u$, as well as the same regularity results? I searched tons of literature, and looks like the only formulation people are interested in is the one with entire integration over $[0,T]\times\Omega$. But they keep using the second one when obtaining some a priori estimates in the papers devoted to Finite Element approximations. Which really pisses me off, since they don't bother proving existence and uniqueness for the second formulation.

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    For dimension $1$ of $\Omega$ there is no counter example we have $L^{2}(0,T;L^{2}(\Omega))\cong L^{2}((0,T)\times\Omega$. Are you sure that is fails for dimension $>1$? – Alex May 15 '13 at 13:14
  • Can you please give a proof or reference that these spaces are the same for one-dimensional $\Omega$? Concerning your question, I'm actually not sure, I never heard such fact, it's just my intuition. – MajinSaha May 15 '13 at 19:29
  • More information can give a search bochner spaces or bochner valued spaces. The book "gewoehnliche und Operator-Differentialgleichungen" by Etienne Emmrich states the given result. But it's in germannot available in english. These are not the same spaces, but we can identify one by the other. Let $y\in L^{p}(0,T;X)$, $X$ Banach space. This space consists of functions mapping $(0,T)$ to an element of $X$ and having the property to be measureable and $||y(t)|{X}||{L^{p}(0,T)}$ finite. Maybe you see the difference now? For $p=\infty$ the result does not hold. – Alex May 15 '13 at 20:09
  • I thought of this definition too. This map is defined for ALL $t\in(0,T)$, not for almost all, is that correct? Also, measurable means in terms of a norm, like $|y(t)|{X}<c$ for constant $c$? Does it follow from here that $\int{\Omega}fgdx$ is measurable as a function of time for any pair of $f$ and $g$ from this space? I don't see how. And I don't think this is a negligible assumption. These spaces are extensively used in time-dependent PDEs, and many statements there won't work unless this condition is forced. – MajinSaha May 15 '13 at 21:03

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Without any literature I am not sure that everything I write down, is easily to understand. However this can bring some light into your thoughts...:-) I directly follow the proof of Etienne Emmrich in his book "Gewoehnliche und Operator-Differentialgleichungen".

Theorem: Let $1\leq p<\infty$ be given and $a,b\in\mathbb{R}$. Then we have $$ L^{p}(0,T;L^{p}(a,b))\cong L^{p}((a,b)\times (0,T)).$$

For a proof of this result we need the following Lemma:

Lemma: Let $\tilde{u}=\tilde{u}(t):[0,T]\rightarrow L^{p}(a,b)$ be Bochner measurable $(1\leq p\leq\infty)$. Then the real valued function $u=u(x,t):=[\tilde{u}(t)](x)$ is Lebesgue measurable over $(a,b)\times (0,T)$.

Proof: Since $\tilde{u}$ is Bochner measurable there exists a sequence of simple functions $\{\tilde{u}_{n}\}$ where we have $$\int_{a}^{b}|u_{n}(x,t)-u(x,t)|^{p}\rightarrow 0\ \hbox{ for } n\rightarrow\infty$$ and for the case $p=\infty$ the analogous result with the $L^{\infty}$-norm for $t\in[0,T]$ a.e. Thereby we used $u_{n}(x,t):=[\tilde{u}_{n}(t)](x)$. Then there exists a subsequence, such that for $x\in[a,b]$ a.e. and $t\in[0,T]$ a.e. we otain $$|u(x,t)-u_{n'}(x,t)|\rightarrow 0\ \hbox{ for } n'\rightarrow\infty.$$ The functions $u_{n'}$ are measurable over $(a,b)\times(0,T)$ by construction, since the have only finitely many values with respect to $t$ and for every $t$ they are Lebesgue measurable with respect to $x$. So we constructed a sequence of Lebesgue measurable functions converging a.e. to the function $u$. hence $u$ is Lebesgue measurable. $\square$

Let us come back to our "main" Theorem. We give the following proof: Firstly we show $$L^{p}(0,T;L^{p}(a,b))\supseteq L^{p}((a,b)\times(0,T)).$$ For that let $u\in L^{p}((a,b)\times(0,T))$ be given. We define the "abstract" functio $\tilde{u}$ by $[\tilde{u}(t)](x):=u(x,t)$. Since $u(\cdot,t)\in L^{p}(a,b)$ we also get $\tilde{u}$ maps into $L^{p}(a,b)$ as well. Now pick $f\in (L^{p}(a,b))^{*}\cong L^{q}(a,b)$ ($\tfrac{1}{p}+\tfrac{1}{q}=1 \hbox{ and } q=\infty\hbox{ for } p=1$). Then $$(x,t)\mapsto f(x)u(x,t)\in L^{1}((a,b)\times (0,T))$$ and by Fubini's Theorem the map $$t\mapsto \int_{a}^{b}f(x)u(x,t)\ dx =\langle f,\tilde{u}(t)\rangle$$ on $[0,T]$ Lebesgue integrable such that also $t\rightarrow \langle f,\tilde{u}(t)\rangle$ Lebesgue measurable. This is the weak measurability of $\tilde{u}$. Since $L^{p}$ is seperable for $1\leq p<\infty$ we have the Bochner measurability of $\tilde{u}$. $\tilde{u}$ is also Bochner integrable since by Fuibini's theorem also the map $$t\rightarrow \int_{a}^{b}|u(x,t)|^{p}\ dx=\|\tilde{u}(t)\|^{p}_{L^{p}}$$ is Lebesgue integrable on $[0,T]$.

It remains to show $$L^{p}(0,T;L^{p}(a,b))\subseteq L^{p}((a,b)\times(0,T)).$$ Let $\tilde{u}\in L^{p}(0,T;L^{p}(a,b))$. We again define the real valued function $u(x,t):=[\tilde{u}(t)](x)$. The iterated integral $$ \int_{0}^{T}\left(\int_{a}^{b}|u(x,t)|^{p}\ d x\right) \ dt<\infty $$ exists. Since the function to integrate over is non negative, we can conclude that also $$\int_{(a,b)\times(0,T)}|u(x,t)|^{p}\ d (x,t)$$ exists and is finite, if and only if $u$ is Lebesgue measurable on $(a,b)\times(0,T)$. This is the result of the aforementioned lemma. Finally $$ \int_{0}^{T}\left(\int_{a}^{b}|u(x,t)|^{p}\ d x\right) \ dt=\int_{(a,b)\times(0,T)}|u(x,t)|^{p}\ d (x,t) $$ and thus the norms are identical. $\square$

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  • Thanks, I'll look at your post more carefully soon. In the meantime, is there an analogous result for more dimensions, i.e. $\Omega$ instead of just $[a,b]$? I added a new paragraph to the topic regarding PDEs (not sure if I have to make a new thread for that ). I'd like to hear your opinion on that. Thanks. – MajinSaha May 17 '13 at 22:00
  • I think, that the given result is also valid for very open bounded domain in $\mathbb{R}^{n}$. I do not see, where it could fail. Maybe a new thread would be appropriate, since you get more attention as writing in the old. Let me come back to the question you asked above. If we have a time dependent pde it is quite natural to have that time is characterized specially. Any maybe it is good to think of these abstract spaces always in the context of $C([0,T];L^{p}(\Omega))$ since these are the interesting cases and not the boring spaces like $L^{p}(L^{p})$. – Alex May 19 '13 at 12:31
  • You mentioned the wave equation where you can write the existence results as results which are continuous with respect to $t$ if you measure space in the $L^{p}$ norm or something stronger. And the natural question then is, can we still perform the usual things - integrating over the product space etc.... - and the answer is yes...maybe this can clarify a bit of your confusion... – Alex May 19 '13 at 12:36
  • I will try to create a new thread soon where I'll explain the situation with the wave equation more carefully. Stay updated and thanks for your current help! – MajinSaha May 20 '13 at 13:40
  • I created a thread where I ask my question more specifically: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/400671/two-weak-formulations-for-a-time-dependent-pde-are-they-equivalent – MajinSaha May 24 '13 at 10:55