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Let $C$ be a closed subset of polish space $P$. It is trivial that $C$ is also completely metrizable, but how do we prove that $C$ is separable? I came up with this method: We can prove that separable metrizable space is second countable without $\mathsf{AC}_\omega$. And then we can prove that $C$ is also second countable, hence it is separable (!). But I've heard that second countable spaces are separable is equivalent to $\mathsf{AC}_\omega$: Second-countable implies separable/Axiom countable choice. Maybe there is a way to avoid from using $\mathsf{AC}_\omega$?

Since $P$ is Polish space we can construct a choice function for the entire family of nonempty closed sets without $\mathsf{AC}_\omega$: Constructing a choice function in a complete & separable metric space. Let $D$ be a countable dense subset of $P$. Then $\{B(x, 1/n) \mid x \in D, n \in \mathbb{N}_{>0}\}$ is a countable basis for $P$, so $\{B(x, 1/n) \cap C \mid x \in D, n \in \mathbb{N}_{>0}\}$ is a countable basis for $C$. Let $f$ be the choice function for the entire family of nonempty closed sets of $P$ by above question. If $B(x, 1/n) \cap C \neq \varnothing$, Let $m = \min\{m \in \mathbb{N}_{>0} \mid \overline{B}(x, 1/n-1/m) \cap C \neq \varnothing\}$. Then we can pick $x_0 = f(\overline{B}(x, 1/n-1/m) \cap C)$ from each elements of countable basis, so we can obtain a countable dense subset of $D$. Is this correct?

Ris
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Yes. The argument is fine. Since $C$ is closed, simply consider $C_{n,m}=C\cap \overline{B}(x_n,1/m)\mid n<m\in\Bbb N\}$ and choose from these sets.

Of course we rely on the fact that $C$ is closed to prove that the intersection is closed, and if $C$ is an arbitrary set, this is no longer the case. And indeed, it is possible that a subspace of $\Bbb R$ is not separable, even though it is completely metrizable.

Asaf Karagila
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  • @am70: That is true assuming the axiom of choice. But this is what the question is about. And it is consistent with the failure of the axiom of choice that there is a subset of the real numbers which is not separable. – Asaf Karagila Sep 26 '24 at 13:33