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Let $R$ be a commutative ring with unity. Let $N$ be it's nilradical, that is the ideal consisting of all the nil potent elements of $R$. We know that $N$ is the intersection of all prime ideals of $R$. The proof, although understandable, to me lacks intuition. I was wondering if anyone could tell me why this is true in a more intuitive way?

Thank you.

R_D
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I think there's an intuition for it coming from algebraic geometry, which I know nothing about rigorously, but it goes like this:

Varities in $\mathbb{C}$ or an algebraically closed field can be put into correspondence with radical ideals. This correspondence also reverses the subset order, meaning that the bigger an ideal is, the smaller its variety is. This is the content of Hilbert's Nullstellensatz theorem, I guess. Therefore, a dictionary between the language of geometry and commutative algebra has been given to us by Hilbert.

In this language, a prime ideal is a variety (because prime ideals are radical) that is indecomposable. A maximal ideal is like a point. Intersection of ideals is translated into union of their varieties. Therefore, I think your theorem tells you, in a sense, about the decomposition of a variety into a union of indecomposable sub-varieties.

A related question is this question on MSE which is about the case when $R$ is Noetherian and therefore, we have a restriction on the ascending chains of ideals in the ring, which in our language is translated as a descending restriction on the corresponding varieties. It says that every radical ideal of a Noetherian ring is the intersection of a finite number of prime ideals which is intuitively close to what we expect from this algebro-geometric language.

stressed out
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  • I would have attempted an answer like this, but probably with even less chance of success, owing to my relative inexperience with algebraic geometry. But I'd like to help you add some ideas I had, since we are thinking along the same lines. One of my intuitions is that the elements of the nilradical are "invisible" to investigation via localizations and interpretations using the Zariski topology. That is, the spectra of $R$ and $R/nil(R)$ are homeomorphic. A similar story can be told about the Jacobson radical and MaxSpec. – rschwieb Dec 08 '17 at 14:41
  • Actually, I had the same idea about the Jacobson radical and MaxSpec, but I don't understand why the elements of the nilradical are "invisible" to investigation via localizations. However, I must say that my knowledge of algebraic geometry is close to $0$, and therefore, you're advised to write your own answer because probably it will be a better and more informative answer than mine. – stressed out Dec 08 '17 at 14:45
  • Problem is I can't say anything with confidence, really. Maybe a better analogy is that elements of the jacobson radical act trivially on simple modules, and elements of the nilradical act trivially on the modules of the form $R/P$. I've seen cases where properties of $R/P$'s affect those of $R_P$'s, but I don't understand the relationships. – rschwieb Dec 08 '17 at 15:46
  • @rschwieb: I'm having a hard time trying to imagine that. What does acting trivially imply? Picturing maximal ideals as points of a variety, the elements of Jacobson radical leave them fixed. Is that what you mean? – stressed out Dec 08 '17 at 18:01
  • By x in R acting trivially on M, I mean $xM={0}$. In a sense, such elements can be thrown away, and you get an action that is “less degenerate “ Non nilpotent things act nontrivially on at least one prime ideal. – rschwieb Dec 08 '17 at 20:09
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If $x$ is nilpotent, then clearly $x$ belongs to every prime ideal, because $x^n=0$ for some $n$. This result is just claiming the converse, which should at least seem plausible intuitively.

Ted
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Recall the correspondence that $I$ is a prime ideal if and only if $R/I$ is a domain — a ring without zero divisors.


Briefly...

If $R$ is already a domain, then for any nonzero element $r$ there exists a maximal ideal not containing $r$.

We can think of the problem as trying to "fix" a zero divisor by taking a quotient in which that element is no longer a zero divisor.

So, if $r$ is a zero divisor in a ring $R$, the fix is to look at equations where $rs = 0$ and set $s=0$ (i.e. mod out by an ideal generated by the congruence). Eventually, you get to a quotient ring where you have either that $r$ is not a zero divisor or that $r$ is zero.

The obvious way in which $r$ would be forced to be zero after this procedure is when $r$ is nilpotent. The theorem is that this turns out to be the only exception.

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It is immediate from the definitions that if $A$ is a commutative ring, and $f\in A$ is nilpotent, then $f$ belongs to every prime ideal of $A$. The converse is more difficult. We shall prove this by contrapositive. If $f$ is not nilpotent, then the set $S=\{1,f,f^2,\dots\}$ does not contain $0$, and hence the localisation $S^{-1}A$ is a nonzero ring. Since every nonzero ring has a prime (even maximal) ideal, there exists a prime ideal $\mathfrak a$ in $S^{-1}A$. The inverse image of $\mathfrak a$ under the map $A\to S^{-1}A$ is a prime ideal not containing $f$.

Joe
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  • It is known to be consistent with $\mathsf{ZF}$ that there exists a nonzero ring $A$ with no prime ideals at all. If such a ring $A$ exists, then it is vacuously true that $1$ belongs to every prime ideal of $A$, and yet $1$ is not nilpotent. Thus, some amount of the Axiom of Choice is needed to prove the theorem in question. In my proof, it is hidden in the sentence "Since every nonzero ring has a prime...". – Joe Aug 29 '24 at 18:48
  • I learn this proof from (Mostly) Commutative Algebra by Antoine Chambert-Loir. It's a nicely written book that is both more elementary and less terse than the standard textbooks such as Atiyah-Macdonald; on the other hand, it still manages to cover roughly the same material. – Joe Aug 29 '24 at 18:51
  • Of course this very common proof already occurs on this site many times, e.g. here. Please don't duplicate prior answers. – Bill Dubuque Aug 29 '24 at 19:53
  • @BillDubuque: If you think the question is a duplicate, then why don't you close it as one? – Joe Aug 30 '24 at 13:40
  • My remark says that your answer is a duplicate. – Bill Dubuque Aug 30 '24 at 18:18
  • @BillDubuque: Well, then, people who are going to look at this question for answers are not necessarily going to look at the linked thread, and vice versa, so I'm not sure what the problem is. My answer addresses the question above – and so I don't see how the fact that there are similar answers to other questions is relevant. In any case, there are people who might not be able to fill in the details of the hint that you linked to, and so I don't see the problem with having both answers here on this site. – Joe Aug 30 '24 at 18:22
  • You also say that in your original comment, "Of course this very common proof already occurs on this site many times...", suggesting that it should have been obvious to me that this variants of this answer has already been posted. I find that attitude a little unrealistic and condescending. I searched for posts about the nilradical and intersections of prime ideals, and this is the question I found. I can't seriously be expected to search for answers to other questions just to be able to post an answer of my own. – Joe Aug 30 '24 at 18:28
  • But that thread is already linked by my comment on the question. The details of the hint are elaborated in a comment on the other answer there (where prior said link takes you). And, of course, this standard method is also presented in many other posts. It would be absurd to think that that such a basic method has never been posted given the long ($14$ year) life of the site. – Bill Dubuque Aug 30 '24 at 18:29