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This is a follow-up question to Interpretation of sigma algebra, particularly to Jun Deng's excellent answer. He used the example of two coin tosses to explain some fundamentals of how filtrations and conditional expected values work.

The following three $\sigma$-fields (for times $0,1,2$) have been presented:

$\mathcal{F}_0=\{\emptyset,\Omega\}$.

$\mathcal{F}_1=\{\emptyset, \Omega, \{HH,HT\},\{TH,TT\}\}\supset \mathcal{F}_0 $

$\mathcal{F}_2=\{\emptyset, \Omega,\{HH,HT\},\{TH,TT\},\{HH\},\{HT\},\{TH\},\{TT\}\}\supset \mathcal{F}_1$

Now, his intuitive explanations makes perfect sense. What I am after though, is a more rigorous mathematical derivation of these. I understand that these are the pre-images of the random variable, but I can't wrap my mind around it.

Lastly, I have a similar problem with the following:

$$E[X|\mathcal{F_2}](\omega)=X(\omega)\qquad\text{for every}\ \omega $$ Intuitively, this makes sense, mathematically, I am at loss.

Dahn
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    As mentioned over there, unfortunately, $\mathcal F_2$ is not a sigma-field. – Did Aug 14 '15 at 17:24
  • Maxim made the mistake about $\mathscr{F}_2$ too. – BCLC Aug 15 '15 at 05:22
  • @BCLC Do not modify significantly the math content of a question, especially after some aspects of it were addressed in comments. – Did Aug 19 '15 at 07:20
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    @BCLC Please do not make significant changes to the mathematical content of a question. Only the OP can know whether such changes meet their intention. (Besides, the changes didn't make $\mathcal{F}_2$ a $\sigma$-algebra either.) – Daniel Fischer Nov 26 '15 at 23:22
  • @DanielFischer Okayyyyyy. Why is that not a $\sigma$-algebra? – BCLC Nov 26 '15 at 23:29
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    @BCLC If an algebra (we're in a finite situation, so algebra and $\sigma$-algebra coincide) contains every singleton of a finite set, then it's the full power set. The edited version didn't contain ${HH,TH}$ for example. – Daniel Fischer Nov 26 '15 at 23:32
  • @DanielFischer Was $\mathscr F_2$ supposed to be $2^{\Omega}$? – BCLC Nov 26 '15 at 23:34
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    @BCLC Jun Deng might know. But since that's the only algebra on $\Omega$ containing all of ${HH},{HT},{TH},{TT}$, that's not unlikely. – Daniel Fischer Nov 26 '15 at 23:37
  • @DanielFischer But if not? I don't see how that is not a sigma-algebra. Why does it need to contain every Singleton? So is it correct to say that F1 and F0 are not sigma-algebras as well – BCLC Nov 28 '15 at 03:16
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    @BCLC $\mathcal{F}_0$ and $\mathcal{F}_1$ are $\sigma$-algebras. As the family $\mathcal{F}_2$ is defined, it contains all singletons. An algebra of sets containing all singletons contains all finite subsets (since every finite subset is a finite union of singletons), and when the whole space is finite, it thus contains all subsets. – Daniel Fischer Nov 28 '15 at 10:26

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'I understand that these are the pre-images of the random variable'

They COULD be. I mean given any sigma-algebra, you could just make a random variable that had that sigma-algebra for its set of preimages right?

There's no rigour there, I think. When you flip a coin and see the result, there are more things we know almost certainly.

Previously the only events whose probabilities were 0 or 1 were the ones in $\mathscr{F_0}$. After the first flip, we have added 2 events. Depending on the toss, we would know which of those events has probability 1 and which has probability 0.


As for the last one, what you got there on the LHS is a conditional expectation.

Conditional expectation with respect to an event A is defined constructively(*):

Given $X$ on $(\Omega, \mathscr{F}, \mathbb{P})$

$E(X|A) = \frac{1}{P(A)}\int_A X dP$, provided of course $P(A) > 0$ (Would you use conditional probability on an event with probability zero?).

Conditional expectation with respect to a sigma-algebra $\mathscr{G}$ is not defined constructively(*) (which I guess means no explicit formula or something):

It is some random variable $Z$ s.t.

$\sigma(Z) \subseteq \mathscr{G}$

and

$\int_G Z dP = \int_G X dP \ \forall G \in \mathscr{G}$.

We usually denote $Z \doteq E[X|\mathscr{G}]$.

So, the rigorous explanation is that:

  1. $Z = X$ is $\mathscr{F}_2$-measurable (check that $\sigma(X) \ \subseteq \ \mathscr{F}_2$).

  2. Check that:

$\int_G Z dP = \int_G X dP \ \forall G \in \mathscr{F}_2$ where $Z \doteq E(X|\mathscr{F}_2)$ in this case = $X$.

So just plug in Z = X to get:

$\int_G X dP = \int_G X dP$.

This clearly holds $\forall G \in \mathscr{F}_2$ or any $\mathscr{G}$.

Conditional expectation may not seem intuitive since its definition is not constructive (*). Try proving its properties. What I did above was prove 'Stability'.

P.S. I think non-constructive (*) definitions need existence and uniqueness or something.

Existence of conditional expectation is due to something called the Radon-Nikodym derivative or theorem, which looks like, iirc afaik, the rigorous version of differentiating one probability distribution to another.

Uniqueness involves continuity of measure.


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  1. Wiki:

'A couple of points worth noting about the definition:

This is not a constructive definition; we are merely given the required property that a conditional expectation must satisfy.'

This seems to give a constructive definition.

This doesn't seem to do so.

Also: Definition of "non-constructive proof"

  1. Apparently, as Did pointed out, construction is possible if the sigma-algebra in question is finite. I think that is what is being pointed out here.
BCLC
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    Thank you for answering an older question, it's always a bit frustrating to get no answers. Since posting this question, my understanding of probability has (luckily) expanded, so this all makes much more sense now. And yeah, the non-constructiveness of the conditional expectations keeps bugging me again and again, looking forward to the day when I'll be able to say that I "got it". – Dahn Aug 13 '15 at 08:44
  • @DahnJahn I think the Radon-Nikodym derivative is supposed to explain it. Haven't read on it yet – BCLC Aug 15 '15 at 09:01