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How to prove that

For $n\ge5$ every element in the alternating group $A_n$ is a commutator of elements in $A_n$?

($g$ is a commutator in group $G$ if $g=[a,b]=aba^{-1}b^{-1} $ for some $a,b$ belongs to $G$.)

In Ore's paper Some Remarks on Commutators (Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 2, No. 2 (Apr., 1951), pp. 307- 314), he asserts that

Every element in $A_n$ is a commutator in $A_n,$

but it seems he only proved a weaker conclusion: Every element in the alternating group $A_n$ is a commutator of $S_n$ in the paper.
I have yet to prove or find a proof of the first assertion.

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    See here, for example. – Dietrich Burde Apr 29 '25 at 16:01
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    Much easier to show is that $A_n=[A_n,A_n]$ for all $n\ge 5$. But there are finite groups (of order necessarily $>96$), where the commutator subgroup consists not only of commutators. See this post and the links. – Dietrich Burde Apr 29 '25 at 16:09
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    It has been proved that all elements of all finite simple groups are commutators, but that is a major result with a long proof involving big computer calculations. (This was known as the Ore Conjecture before it was proved.) – Derek Holt Apr 29 '25 at 16:11
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    The assertion is proved as Theorem 2.10 of the paper by Aleš Vavpetič in the link in Dietrich Burde's comment (but I have not tried to read the proof!). – Derek Holt May 01 '25 at 07:37

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It's convenient to use the following notations:
$x\sim y\{ Sym(B) \},\quad$if $B$ is a finite nonempty set of numbers, $x, y\in Sym(B)$ and $\exists g \in Sym(B)\ s.t. gxg^{-1}=y$.
$x\sim y\{ Alt(B)\},\quad$if $B$ is a finite nonempty set of numbers, $x, y\in Alt(B)$ and $\exists g \in Alt(B)\ s.t. gxg^{-1}=y$.
Here $Alt(B)$ is the set consisting of all even permutations on the set $B$.
We will use this familiar lemma next:

Lemma:
Let $B$ be a finite nonempty set of numbers, $\forall y \in Alt(B)$, assume the cyclic decomposition of $y$:
$ y= c_1c_2\cdots c_r,$(Counting cycles of length $1$), $ |c_i|=k_i. \text{If}\ \exists i\ s.t. 2\mid k_i$ or $\exists i\neq j\ s.t.\ k_i=k_j$, then $\forall x \in Alt(B):$
$x\sim y\{ Sym(B) \} \implies x\sim y\{ Alt(B)\}$.

The proof of the lemma we omit.
Back to the original question.
$\forall s\in A_n$,
we want to prove that:($n\ge 5$)
$\begin{align}\\ \exists a,b \in A_n\ :&\ s=aba^{-1}b^{-1}, \iff\\ \exists a,b \in A_n\ :&\ aba^{-1}=sb\iff\\ \exists y\in A_n\ :&\ y\sim sy\{A_n \}\quad (*) \end{align} $
Assume the cyclic decomposition of $s$:
$s=c_1c_2\cdots c_r$,
In the following we discuss the three cases in {$c_i$}.

  • The number of 3-cycles in {$c_i$} is even.
  • The number of 3-cycles in {$c_i$} is odd, $\exists c_i:|c_i|\ge 5$,$|c_i|$ odd.
  • The number of 3-cycles in {$c_i$} is odd, $\nexists c_i:|c_i|\ge 5$,$|c_i|$ odd.

First case:
We use the following three steps to process {$c_i$}.
Step $1$:Combine all the cycles of even length in {$c_i$} in any two-by-two combination as:$s_1,s_2,\cdots ,s_p$.At this point each $s_i$ is an even permutation.

Step $2$:Combine all the 3-cycles in {$c_i$} in any two-by-two combination as:$s_{p+1},s_{p+2},\cdots ,s_q$.At this point each $s_i$ is also an even permutation.

Step $3$:The remaining cycles in {$c_i$} are $s_{q+1},s_{q+2},\cdots,s_t$.($2\nmid |s_i|\ge 5$ for $q+1\le i\le t$)

Now $s=s_1s_2\cdots s_t$.$supp\ s_i\cap supp\ s_j = \varnothing$.

We will prove:

$\forall 1\le i\le t,\ \exists\ g_i,\ y_i\in A_n: g_iy_ig_i^{-1}=s_iy_i\ \& \ supp\ g_i,\ supp\ y_i\ \subseteq supp\ s_i$.

In that case, multiplying these t equations gives: $(g_1g_2\cdots g_t)(y_1y_2\cdots y_t)(g_1g_2\cdots g_t)^{-1}=s_1s_2\cdots s_ty_1y_2\cdots y_t$.

Therefore(Let $y=y_1y_2\cdots y_t$ in($*$))

$y\sim sy\{A_n\}$.

Consider $s_1$(ditto for $s_2,\cdots,s_p$).

$1.s_1$ is product of two cycles of equal length.

WLOG, let $s_1=(1\ 2\ 3\ \cdots\ 2m)(2m+1\ 2m+2\ \cdots\ 4m)$.(Permutations are multiplied from left to right)

Let $y_1=(4m\quad 4m-1\ \cdots\ 2m+2\quad 1\quad 2m+1),\ |y_1|=2m+1\ \implies$
$s_1y_1=(1\ 2\ \cdots\ 2m+1),\ |s_1y_1|=2m+1$.

So $y_1\sim s_1y_1\{S_{4m}\}\implies y_1\sim s_1y_1\{A_{4m}\}$ (by the lemma)

$\implies \exists g_1,\ y_1\in A_n:g_1y_1g_1^{-1}=s_1y_1\ \&\ supp\ g_1,\ supp\ y_1\subseteq supp\ s_1=[4m]$.

$2.s_1$ is product of two cycles of distinct length.

WLOG, let $s_1=(1\quad 2\quad \cdots\quad 2v+2m)(2v+2m+1\quad 2v+2m+2\quad \cdots \quad 2v+4m)$.
$a=(1\quad 2\ \cdots\ 2v+2m),\ b=(2v+2m+1\quad 2v+2m+2\ \cdots \ 2v+4m)$.

Let $y_1=b^{-1}c,\ $where $c=(1\quad 2v+1\quad 2\quad 4\quad 5\quad 6\quad \cdots\quad 2v)\\ s_1y_1=ac=(1\quad 4\quad 6\quad 8\quad \cdots\quad 2v\quad 2\quad 3\quad 5\quad 7\quad \cdots\quad 2v-1)(2v+1\quad 2v+2\quad \cdots\quad 2v+2m) $.

$y_1\ \&\ s_1y_1$ are both product of disjoint $2v$-cycle and $2m$-cycle.

So $y_1\sim s_1y_1\{S_{2v+4m}\}\implies y_1\sim s_1y_1\{A_{2v+4m}\}$ (by the lemma)

$\implies \exists g_1,\ y_1\in A_n:g_1y_1g_1^{-1}=s_1y_1\ \&\ supp\ g_1,\ supp\ y_1\subseteq supp\ s_1=[2v+4m]$.

Consider $s_{p+1}$(ditto for $s_{p+2},\cdots,s_q$).

WLOG, let $s_{p+1}=(1\quad 2\quad 3)(4\quad\ 5\quad 6)$.

Let $y_{p+1}=s_{p+1},\ g_{p+1}=(1\quad 2)(4\quad 5)\implies g_{p+1}y_{p+1}g_{p+1}^{-1}=(1\quad 3\quad 2)(4\quad 6\quad 5)=y_{p+1}s_{p+1}$.

Consider $s_{q+1}$(ditto for $s_{p+2},\cdots,s_t$).

$1.|s_{q+1}|=5$

WLOG, $S_{q+1}=(1\quad 2\quad 3\quad 4\quad 5)$,
let $y_{q+1}=(1\quad 3\quad 2)\implies s_{q+1}y_{q+1}=(3\quad 4\quad 5)\implies y_{q+1}\sim s_{q+1}y_{q+1}\{A_5\}$.

$2.|s_{q+1}|=2k+1,\ k\ge 3$

WLOG, $s_{q+1}=(1\quad 2\quad 3\quad \cdots\quad 2k+1)$,
let $y_{q+1}=(1\quad 6\quad 7\quad \cdots\quad 2k+1\quad 3\quad 2)\quad (|y_{q+1}|=2k-1)\implies\\ s_{q+1}y_{q+1}=(3\quad 4\quad 5\quad 7\quad 9\quad \cdots\quad 2k+1\quad 6\quad 8\quad \cdots\quad 2k)\implies y_{q+1}\sim s_{q+1}y_{q+1}\{A_{2k+1}\}$.

Thus we have proved First case.

The remaining two cases can be proved similarly.