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Suppose $(a_n)_{n=1}^\infty$ and $(b_n)_{n=1}^\infty$ are two positive, monotonically decreasing sequences such that both $\sum_n a_n$ and $\sum_n b_n$ diverge. Let $(A_n)_n$ and $(B_n)_n$ be the respective sequences of partial sums. Is it possible to construct a third monotonically decreasing sequence $(c_n)_{n=1}^\infty$ such that $\sum_n c_n$ also diverges, and the "rate of divergence" is slower than that of either $a$ or $b$?

Let's say that "$a$ diverges slower than $c$" means $A_n \leq C_n$ for all sufficiently large $n$. We can also make this notion more restrictive and say $A_n/C_n \to 0$ is required.

The problem is that the obvious choice of $c_n = \min(a_n, b_n)$ doesn't necessarily diverge even if $a$ and $b$ do. But is there any way of constructing from $a$ and $b$ a series which diverges slower than each of them? Some other natural choices, such as $c_n = \sup_{m > n}\{a_m, b_m\}$, I fear are effectively the same as taking $c_n = \min(a_n, b_n)$.

Rob
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    Check this : https://math.stackexchange.com/q/452053/42969 – Martin R Feb 24 '25 at 03:01
  • It's clear that for any given series, it is always possible to find another one that diverges more slowly, in whatever sense. But what I am asking, and what makes this problem more difficult, is that the series has to be slow with respect to two divergent series simultaneously. The construction is much more difficult and not trivial, if it is possible in general at all. – Rob Feb 24 '25 at 03:40

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Set $C_n=\sqrt{min(A_{n},B_{n})}$ .

Then set $c_0=C_0$ and $c_{n+1}=C_{n+1}-C_n$.

We then have that $C_n$ is the partial sum of the monotone series with positive terms $\sum c_n$.

Furthermore we know that $(C_n)$ is diverging to $+\infty$ since $(A_n)$ and $(B_n)$ are (show that $(C_n)$ is increasing and that the exist a subsequence $(C_{\phi(n)})$ that is either a subsequence of $(\sqrt{A_n})$ or a subsequence of $(\sqrt{B_n})$).

Finally, $\frac{C_n}{A_n}\leq\frac{1}{\sqrt{A_n}}\rightarrow0$ and $\frac{C_n}{B_n}\leq\frac{1}{\sqrt{B_n}}\rightarrow0$.

Remark. I assumed positive means $\geq0$ so those inequalities are to be considered for $n$ greater than the first rank $N$ at which both $A_N$ and $B_N$ are non zero.

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I will add an answer here to flesh out some of the details of the construction given in the previous answer. In particular, to check thoroughly that $(c_n)_n$ is indeed decreasing.

Suppose that $(a_n)_n$ and $(b_n)_n$ are positive and non-increasing, let $(A_n)_n$ and $(B_n)_n$ be the respective partial sum sequences, and assume that $A_n$ and $B_n$ both approach infinity as $n$ approaches infinity. Observe that both $(A_n)_n$ and $(B_n)_n$ are necessarily increasing (because $(a_n)_n$ and $(b_n)_n$ are positive).

As before, let $C^*_n = \sqrt{\min(A_n, B_n)}$ for each $n$. Then the following are easily checked.

  • $C^*_n/A_n \to 0$ and $C^*_n/B_n \to 0$ as $n \to \infty$ by the squeeze theorem.
  • $C^*_n \to \infty$ as $n\to \infty$, because the same holds for both $(A_n)_n$ and $(B_n)_n$. In particular, for any fixed $M$ it holds that both $A_n \geq M^2$ and $B_n \geq M^2$ for all sufficiently large $n$, in which case $C^*_n \geq M$ for all sufficiently large $n$ as well.
  • $(C^*_n)_n$ is increasing. Indeed, fix $n$ and suppose WLOG that $C^*_n = \sqrt{A_n}$ (in which case $A_n \leq B_n$). Then in the first case, $C^*_{n+1} = \sqrt{A_{n+1}} > \sqrt{A_n} = C^*_n$ since $(A_n)_n$ is increasing. In the other case, $C^*_{n+1} = \sqrt{B_{n+1}} > \sqrt{B_n} \geq \sqrt{A_n} = C^*_n$ since $(B_n)_n$ is increasing (and by assumption that $A_n \leq B_n$).

We might then proceed to define $c^*_1 = C^*_1$ and $c^*_n = {}^-\Delta C^*_n = C^*_n - C^*_{n-1}$ for $n > 1$. It holds that $(c^*_n)_n$ is positive by the third property above, it holds that $\sum_{n=1}^N c^*_n = C_N$ for each $N$ by telescoping series (which therefore diverges to infinity by the second property above), and it holds that the divergence is slower than that of either $(a_n)_n$ or $(b_n)_n$ in the desired sense by the first property above.

It remains to verify that $(c^*_n)_n$ is decreasing. But this is not obvious, and possibly not true in general. However, the definition can be slightly modified to ensure that this holds.

Imagine a polygonal path joining each point $(n, C^*_n)$ on a graph. In essence, we have a path in the $xy$-plane which diverges to infinity much slower than either $(n, A_n)$ or $(n, B_n)$, but the vertical increments ${}^-\Delta C_n$ may be non-monotone (i.e., the sequence of slopes of each linear segment may not be decreasing). We can ensure that the increments are monotone by translating each point further and further to the right, until the slopes of each linear segment form a decreasing sequence.

To make this precise, we shall (inductively) construct a sequence of indices $(n^*_k)_k$ and define $C_n = C^*_k$ whenever $n = n^*_k$. For those $n$ such that $n^*_k < n < n^*_{k+1}$, we shall define $C_n$ by a linear interpolation. That is,

$$ C_n = C^*_k + m_k(n - n^*_k) \quad \text{where} \quad m_k = \frac{C^*_{k+1} - C^*_k}{n^*_{k+1} - n^*_k} $$

Begin with $n^*_1 = 1$ and $n^*_2 = 2$. Then define $n^*_3$ as the smallest $n$ such that

$$ \frac{C^*_3 - C^*_2}{n - n^*_2} \leq m_1 $$

where $m_1 = (C^*_2 - C^*_1)/(n^*_2 - n^*_1)$ as defined above. Continue inductively; for each $k$, define

$$n^*_k = \min\Big\{n : \frac{C^*_k - C^*_{k-1}}{n - n^*_{k-1}} \leq m_{k-2} \Big\}$$

We note here that by isolating $n$ in the above inequality, it is possible to present $n^*_k$ in exact form as the following.

$$ n^*_k = \left\lceil n^*_{k-1} + (n^*_{k-1} - n^*_{k-2})\left(\frac{C^*_k - C^*_{k-1}}{C^*_{k-1} - C^*_{k-2}}\right) \right\rceil $$

Finally, define $(C_n)_n$ as described above. Observe that $(C_n)_n$ is still increasing, still diverges (because it is increasing and contains a divergent subsequence, namely $C_{n^*_k} = C^*_k$), and the divergence is still slower than that of either $(A_n)_n$ or $(B_n)_n$ because $C_n \leq C^*_n$. Finally, define $c_1 = C_1$ and $c_n = {}^-\Delta C_n = C_n - C_{n-1}$ for each $n > 1$. By construction, $c_{n+1} \leq c_n$ for each $n$ as desired, thus everything is satisfied.

Rob
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